Good evening I will call the November council meeting to order. We've got just
about all members all members are present and we'll have the final member
indicating such early Thank you all for being here thank you for those in
attendance here in the audience and those joining us via home. There at
a minor agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance followed by
a silent prayer and move occasion I invite you to please stand.
Right here. All the. Way.
Thank you I don't number four on our agenda this evening is the reading of the
minutes of the previous meeting council member see Council attachment number one in
your packets of groupoids. If motion by Kirkpatrick
or second second second by world
a discussion on the minutes C None will move into
a vote on favor signal by saying I oppose nay motion carries.
Item Number four on our agenda this evening is the reading I'm sorry is I remember
five I'm sorry it is the explanation of the visitor speaking procedure those in the
in attendance this evening that would like to address the body may do so after
being acknowledged by
a council member in which you'll be invited to the podium to speak for five minutes
make sure that the microphone is on there's
a push button on the base of the microphone and which will light up green when the
microphone is on your pick up for R.C.C.
A as well as for us to hear you have here. Again those are on items that are
appearing on our agenda this evening and from that item number six my report
believing all the persons city staff and residents here are watching from home as
with previous month's reports I will highlight some of the many items that cross my
desk or our partake in since the last council meeting earlier this month I joined
sophomore high school sophomores from the coup supported words assumption and link
in for the heavy metal bus tour to share an inside look at our local manufacturing
facilities and to highlight the challenging and rewarding careers that
manufacturing offers today's activity included tours of new page tweet Garrett
printing and E.C.C.
Corrosion and learning more about the training opportunities for careers in
manufacturing at mid-state technical college this is
a great opportunity for area employers and it's
a technical college to come together to benefit students by giving them exposure
and awareness to careers in manufacturing. Offering
a competitive annual salary and having vacant positions that need to be filled
through the retirement of baby boomers feel the manufacturing is alive and in many
fields growing in our area manufacturing job vacancies exist now and in the future
that can provide engaging work and
a rewarding career for today's students. Seeing firsthand what jobs in
manufacturing and tail helps provide students with the opportunity to learn and
explore more about the compelling jobs that local manufacturing industry and offer
them. The heavy metal bus tour was put on by the Chamber of Commerce encourage
Community Foundation and
a number of very young players which came together to underwrite the cost for that
event shortly after council approved its formation the aquatics ad hoc committee
formed and begin meeting to swiftly quantify the existing public offerings aquatics
offerings usage review recommendations by the two thousand and twelve two thousand
and sixteen recommendation from the recreational plan to collaborate with community
partners and to understand our our current and upcoming aquatics challenges at this
point the aquatics ad hoc committee has met twice with another meeting planned for
December third at five pm here at city hall the committee plans to produce
a summary of its findings and produce
a recommendation in December of two thousand and fourteen for
a full city council consideration the meetings are publicly noticed and individual
interested individuals are invited to attend. This month aligned with Veterans Day
celebrations I joined members of the county Veterans Service Officers Association
and twelve local state and federal agencies who hosted the inaugural Wisconsin
rapid stand on event at the central U.S.
Center the event was designed to acquaint veterans with the many resources
available to them from enrolling in benefits employment programs and counseling for
personal and financial matters in all the events
a great turnout of over one hundred seven veterans participating forty two of which
received clothing assistance eleven flu shots and seven were identified as homeless
and received assistance with area shelters something critically important with the
cold weather returning obviously to our area. The state of Wisconsin has
a long history of providing support benefits programs and services for returning
veterans but many individuals aren't aware of the programs at the state local and
federal level that they're eligible for the Wisconsin rapid stand on event was an
excellent opportunity for local agencies to revive supporting ways to help veterans
who have selflessly served our nation in this way. Lastly budget by now the finance
and property Committee has completed their review of the proposed two thousand and
fifteen budget I would like again to thank city staff for their efforts to present
this year's budget. In as much of
a planning documents also an opportunity consider changing your competing
priorities this year investments in public safety communications pavement street
maintenance capital the support the replacement of the library roof make up
a few of the larger discretionary capital budget investments are up an improvement
program continues to evolve where budget plays an ongoing role in
a den of fire more efficient or cost effective processes while maintaining the
service residents have come to receive this year's budget preparation didn't come
without its regular challenges
a decline in our manufacturing assessment from two of our largest manufacturers
receiving successful cases and their objection to state assessment valuations this
in particular resulted in
a ten point two million dollars reduction while only off only to be offset by
a meager point nine eight percent in growth factoring cost of doing business such
as cost of living adjustments and health plan commitments left us little options
and whether we needed to consider levying or allow the increase in the tax rate as
with each passing year two thousand and fifteen will certainly leave us with
another opportunity or many opportunities to make smart investments to become even
better stewards of our resources I hope you find value in
a sampling of what my week's consist of as
a reminder I encourage residents to subscribe to my weekly community update on line
and if you're not online catch variations recorded on our C.C.A.
Media or request
a print version from my office thank you. Item number seven under new business item
A is the election of
a citizen member to the ethics board council members we've received letters of
interest in which the clerk has provided us there are three
individuals who have expressed interest in filling the final. Vacancy on the
citizen at the ethics board the first individual is William
Menzel the second individual is Robert Rock and the third individual. Is Julie
Sigler Edmonson Are either of these three individuals in the audience excuse me and
the audience as evening OK right council
members open it up for nominations
and entertain a motion or
a nomination on the person for Patrick we thank you. So much as I wish that these
three individuals were here tonight to speak on their own behalf and
everyone's discussion we don't have that opportunity but I hope. Other couple of
individuals will follow me here like to nominate William Menzel
the nomination for William Menzel and their other nominations
for the second time are there any other nominations for the third and final time
are there any other nominations with that might entertain
a motion to close nominations and asked not a misspelling of
a motion by Kirkpatrick second by Kellogg and you discussion seeing none movement
to vote ever say by saying I opposed name that passes Thank you
all for cigarette or please thank you. In the future I'm. Impressed to see
more than just one person coming forward wishing to take part in the process of
explorative other other boards and committees that we have commissions that we've
got. Going forward from here I'd love to see more people wish to be involved in
these other individuals that were not nominated tonight again I would love to see
them see their names on some role in the future step forward and say I'd like to be
a part of the process one way shape or form or another so keep your ears open and
by all means please step forward to our to help the community thank you and I call
the person Patrick thank the three individuals for wishing to throw their name in
the hat for consideration for that open position as always positions do come
available as terms expire and which I would encourage in interested individuals who
wish to serve to contact either my office or contact the city clerk to share se
their resume or their interest so we may well to keep them in mind as we fill
positions in the future. Seven B.N.
Update by the aquatics ad hoc committee. That was to appear on the December council
meeting and update was read by myself in the council report I would entertain if
there's any questions. We've got
a few minutes that have not been compiled in the packet here this evening but if
anyone has any specific questions let's discuss at our next meeting will be
December third at five pm here at city hall. Right with third and that's not.
Right December third at five pm any questions on the ad hoc committee invite older
persons or anyone wishing to attend that meeting as well OK
Moving to item number eight the public hearing on the twenty fifteen budget in
which we will open the public hearing with that I
will entertain discussion also members and wish
to speak on the twenty fifteen budget all the persons stack please
you very very verses. Again I'd like to thank the staff and the
members throughout the city who have worked to put this together I recognize
that not all things are met. In. Those things
which people would like to see done within the city we had
a discussion in our meeting this evening about what can and what will be done and
the allocation of resources that will always be a struggle that
a community will have because we have competing interests for
a certain dollar some that is not is not of open to what we might like
to do we have from the state of Wisconsin we have an expenditure expenditure
restraint limit which says to us each year you as
a community may be able to raise your taxes by
a certain amount with that in mind the staff has to look at those things which
a lot would like to the I would like to have and be able to do in the upcoming year
it was pointed out in our meeting this evening that not all streets are plowed is
that as residents would like to see that done and I certainly understand that and
the city has adopted through the years guidelines that say this is how we will do
our street snowplowing in turn we have been asked this evening by the chief
of police to purchase repeaters to enhance our emergency communications as that
takes place over the next few years will be purchasing two repeaters that will be
used for the communications that take place in the city between our emergency
services and also if need be the city and the county will be able to
monitor and as need be perhaps talk to one another the move to digital
communications was required by law so because of that we have expenditures to meet
. We have in addition to the expenditure restraint limits we have those
expenses that are brought to us through negotiations with our different departments
of the people there now that is somewhat limited that than it has been in the past
due to the Act ten However we still have to carry out and work with those people
because we want those people to work for us and feel that they are in valued
employees one thing we Another thing that we work with is the meeting the needs of
health insurance as as laws have changed. Things that are and are
done by health insurance dollars have changed as well for example when I worked
when the child reached twenty one they were on their own typically. There is few
exceptions now
a child can be twenty six before they'll be off the parents' insurance rolls. We
have health savings account and other matters that we bring forward and discuss in
committee and council the nature of the beast is such that we have so many dollars
and so many people competing for it that we do find we are not meeting all needs at
all times I believe the committee and the staff has worked to
allocate dollars in
a way that goals one things are done the city and the community will feel we have
done things appropriately I realize that there is
a number of opinions out there that may not always be and I understand that and I
accept that as as anyone who's raised a family for example and worked on
a budget. In this upcoming year were we are looking to add some physicians
who are looking to use technology to help in our day to day activities. Perhaps as
we go forward these will pay out and be improvements to the city and that are
something that will carry forward as we go and as subsequent budgets and subsequent
councils and mayors again it's not an easy project which ten minutes staff of the
department heads do and I appreciate all that they have done and the questions
a been able to answer I thank you Your Honor thank you all
a person for Patrick your second Thank you. Two things struck me this time around
especially tonight one. Ever since I got on council and saw the budget process take
place I was I was severely disappointed in the lack of people who turned out to
actually walk through
a budget with Finance Committee and with the counsel of the mayor so I'm really
overjoyed and excited to see members of the community come out to discuss the
budget and be
a part of that process whether or not you agree with all the things that are being
proposed it's neither here nor there I'm just really happy to see that you've come
out so thank you second is something that I hope not to steal Mr Kellogg's thunder
on but you were a big advocate of finding
a way for the city to come together with the library and realize the rough project
that was in desperate need and I really want to commend mayors office and Tim for
finding
a way to make that work in conjunction with the library. Number
of the public for the first time anyone wishing to address the body on the twenty
fifteen budget or the second time anyone wishing to address the Council on the
twenty fifteen budget and for the third and final time anyone wishing to address
the body on the two thousand and fifteen proposed budget. Council members any
further discussion you know for their discussion I
will entertain a motion. One second I'm sorry we had to close
a public hearing probably. Oh right thank you so at that point they entertain
a motion to close a public hearing of
a motion second motion the second by Kellogg most made by Kirkpatrick to close the
public hearing all favor opposed that passes will move into Item number nine that
item will be picked up later in the report as the city attorney pointed out Item
number nine report of the Nov eighteenth meeting of the finance and property
committee. On the person stacked please thank you Your Honor
the first report. Mayor. Will be doing the
second report right behind the first and
this is tonight's report was I'm sorry it was
a question just that since we have the two meetings how do we want to do those just
do you do the first report first and then we'll move in the November fourth
November eighteenth I'm sorry the first one on our agenda tonight to be the second
one OK night's meeting I have noticed first in our agenda My apologies from. The
finance and property committee met at five P.M.
On Tuesday Nov eighteenth two thousand and fourteen at the first floor conference
room at the City Hall all members were present also attending were Tim to source
the mayor Zack through Inc for Mayor Mary Jo Carson Mary Jo Haney
Steve Stephen cause Dave Kirkman all with Steve was his daughter Dave Kirkman
warrior Jim Gorski shamed Lazar. Melanie Lauder and all the person Todd for me and
Tom. And all the person Kirkpatrick walked in at the end of the media was called to
order items to a resolution adopted
a tax levy and the two thousand and fifteen city budget. Meet resolve that the
budget for the year two thousand and fifteen asked stated in the public hearing
document dated November eighteenth two thousand and fourteen B.
And the same is hereby adopted in the sum of twenty eight million eight thousand
four hundred thirty and twenty eight one hundred dollars B.
And the same as here by Levy and assessed against all taxable property both real
and personal within the city of Wisconsin Rapids Wisconsin for the year two
thousand and fourteen. Further resolved that the appropriate tax rate be
established and applied to the valuation of property in the city as certified by
the state so as to raise the required amount of twenty eight million eight thousand
four hundred thirty dollars and twenty eight cents it was moved by Dole and
seconded by world to adopt a resolution of impasse item three pardon me
a request from St superintendent Gymboree ski to replace a forklift and
a floor sweeper it was moved by
a World segment by Dolan to approve the purchase of the Conqueror Toyota lived for
twenty one thousand nine hundred forty seven dollars from the equipment replacement
fund motion carried see attachment to it was moved by whirl seconded by Dolan to
over to hold over the request to purchase a floor sweeper
a request from Police Chief for you to purchase repeater repeaters for emergency
communications it was moved by world seconded by Dolan to approve the request to
purchase the repeaters in the amount of twenty six thousand two hundred thirty four
dollars and eighty eight cents from descant C.
Attached to three it was moved seconded to adjourn the motion carried the median
adjourned at five forty P.M.
Your Honor I move for adoption of these minutes as presented. Got
a motion by stack to approve this verse and the second by a whirl or to do
a roll call vote Chad if you could get the you're second on the button on the
remote Please give a motion in a second move in
a discussion of the person for Patrick please thank you just one note of
clarification here. For it's listed as twenty six thousand to thirty four.
And if I flip over to attachment three it shows total cost on the bottom line of
twenty six thousand and fourteen dollars eighty eight cents just curious of all is
which one of those two numbers was accurate it's two thirty four
OK OK thank you the minutes are accurate thank you for the clarification and the
other wishes to request to speak again echoing other person or
Patrick and other person stacks comments about participation I think having our
youngest participant in the budget process with Kalen thank you for being here nice
to see
a young face having interest this early in the political process hopefully you
stick with it as time goes on in America arse and it's great to see you as well
thanks for being here so move into
a vote please cast your ballot it's voting
carried
a days and they're on the move into Item Number ten or agenda this evening standing
council committee reports item eight is finance and property committee meeting held
Nov fourth all the person stacking up again yes but.
The finance and property committee met at five P.M.
On Tuesday November pardon me yes November fourth.
Duly noted duly noted Yes. As an inside joke
among those here President. Some other people who are on the other committee
meeting know to us. The fight is a property committee met at five P.M.
On Tuesday Nov fourth two thousand and fourteen the first floor conference room at
City Hall all members were present except Alderman world who was excused also
attending were Karen Madden of the Daily Tribune them to source the mayor's act
through Inc and all the persons Kirkpatrick and rail on the media was called to
order a request from police chief lawyer for approval to apply for radio T.V.
B.O.T.S.
High visibility corridor enforcement Grant is moved by stacks seconded by Dolan to
prove the request to apply for the grant motion carried review and consider request
to approve a resolution as you dating American deposit management company as
a public positive or if the resolution is
a patch it was moved by stack seconded by Dolan to prove the resolution motion
carried the waterworks and lighting commission two thousand and fifteen budget
review and approval it was moved by stacks and
a second by Dolan to approve the two thousand and fifteen budget motion carried
review purchasing policy matrix decided was for discussion only no action was taken
two thousand and fifteen budget review
a discussion was held. Was held to have six thousand budgeted for
a Spring City like cleanup and to increase
a line item for council members to attend conferences five hundred dollars to two
thousand the attachment to those who buy stack second by Dolan to adopt
a budget with the above changes to be added motion carried beverage operator
license applications it was moved by stacks second by Dolan to approve new licenses
for the following individuals motion carried it was moved by
a stack seconded by Dolan to renew licenses for the following applicant motion
carried is moved by stacks second by Dolan to approve
a license for an individual However the license will not be issued until an
outstanding fine is paid to the city's municipal court office motion carried audit
of the bills is moved and seconded to pay the bills are five seven zero one six two
five seven three six three the motion carried is moved by this it was moved and
seconded to adjourn the motion carried the meeting adjourned at six fifty P.M.
With James stack chairperson Barry Dolan secretary Your Honor I move for adoption
of these minutes November fourth two thousand and fourteen with
a motion to prove by stack is there a second and get
a second one second on the person thirty second ad motion I want to discuss and all
the person Kellogg you'd like to discuss and item sort of move out number pull out
item number four are there any other items one wishes to pull out of the report of
the person Cal Kirkpatrick I'm sorry not want to pull out but just one thing to
kind of mention here regarding I don't number six. Out there.
To increase
a line for consumers to attend conferences for five hundred to two thousand dollars
I think as small of an amount as it is I think it's important that people
understand that the five hundred dollars that was originally budgeted I don't know
when that number went into the budget to begin with how many years back but that
five hundred dollars was for all eight of our consul members so if we wanted to go
down to League of Wisconsin municipalities conference and let's just say the two of
us wanted to go down suddenly we'd have to come back and make
a special budget request to be able to have that paid for because those are what
three hundred some dollars are or more in
a lot of cases for those types of conferences. Per you know per person to go to
these things so the move to go from five hundred to two thousand dollars I think is
a is
a wise decision to help offset some of that cost and to get perhaps more
of us to go to some of these things when they come available and the other kind of
important key to remember here is that if we don't go to any conferences that money
is not lost it's rolled over to the next year so you know to say that it's money
thrown away is not really accurate it's money invested in the education of the
Council on certain items that they wish to go to or it's money that's held over for
future years thank you and other requests to speak on the balance of the report on
the person's deck please just one thing for the record if the clerk could include
that we had Geoff. Hoon and Jim Brown were at that
meeting on November fourth from the water in Light thank you
you know the requests to speak seen and willing to vote Please cast your ballot on
the balance of the report with the exception of item number four.
Motion carried eight days and they're on the move into discussion on item number
four which was the report which is waterworks and lighting two thousand and fifteen
budget review and approval. It open up discussion or entertain
a motion on that item or the person Khaled I like to make
a comment this is for my own clarity. I have no problem with that budget but
I know the water and light is in is asking for an increase of five percent grade is
that part of this budget and if it's not I would like to see water and lay come
back to the common console and share how that revenue is going to be used solve is
it part of this budget or does but it hasn't been approved yet
OK So then if it's going to be taken out
OK because I wasn't sure if it was included and if it wasn't then when you do have
an increase Jim would you mind coming to the podium I don't mind but I know Tom
will be out of the room here shortly to ask for you to come up so we can pick you
up on T.V.
Thank you introduce yourself please for the My name is Jim Brown the general
manager of water light Thank you. You know we filed for the rate increase of April
of this year but there's been such
a backlog with Public Service Commission that they finally got around to having
a hearing last week. And it's supposed to be approved we hear from the Public
Service Commission sometime in early December which would mean more than likely
a January implementation date again it's
a first rate increase we've had since January of two thousand and nine. I think the
average residential bill is forecasted to go up almost five dollars
a month. But if you look at our rates residentially against the rest of the eighty
four utilities in the state of Wisconsin where you are in the lower third or
actually the lower fifteen utilities in the state even after the rate increase. If
you look at our neighboring utilities investor owned utilities and co-ops the
residential rates are twenty to twenty five percent higher than water and lights
and I have no problem with that I just want the clarification so the Common Council
will know that. Any other questions for Jim always at the podium on the twenty
fifteen want to work some late budget the person stacked you know your honor just
to jam in the information you presented that evening to us you indicated
a rate of return authorized five point seven five percent for your electorate and
your rate of return as filed will be four point seven six percent is that still
correct correct all right and the allowable rate of return by the for the electric
side of the business is seven percent he's been keeping the rate of return
significantly lower than that especially for three minutes of the utilities an
investor owned utilities are typically getting their standard rate of return. And
on the ward or the rate of return authorized is the Nikkei is being six percent
this is on page eleven of the report and you are in the Katyn four point three five
percent as your return that is our forecast for next year pending we don't have
another winter like last year correct the winner when you have people running water
that just bears on the cost of producing that water doesn't it not so much the
purchasing the wear and tear on the system I think we had water main breaks back in
ninety five was our record I think we had thirty five water main breaks last year
and and many many services that the residential customers.
Sampson street was lit up
a couple of times last year Act Thank you and we had our first break yesterday
correct we're well in well in order for another tough winter and the other
questions for Jim were on the any discussion from all the persons on the twenty
fifteen budget review and approval and the same I guess we go to those in the
audience all the press for Patrick please thank you Mr Keller since you asked. I
know kind of looking through this and you don't have any projects that are quite as
large and expensive as the Peach Street substation project from
a few years back but can you kind of elaborate were some of these farms are being
proposed to be utilized in the future I know it's quite
a list of stuff that you had there but maybe just some or some of the high points
OK well the capital expenditures will tend to trend down when we've. I was first
hired in two thousand and six there was
a lot of system work that needed to be done both in our substations anarchist
facilities so the amount of capital that we spend my first four or five years will
tend to trend down since we've made most our major investments. Next year
the bigger capital items on the electric side is and is another A.T.C.
Feed to our baker substation at one hundred fifteen thousand volts to kind of
improve reliability and I'll announce allowed to work in that substation without
having to take the holes and then serving the whole city from the west side or our
west Wisconsin sub So it's
a reliability move. Things probably to the residents will see we do have money in
the budget to start street lighting on a street upgrading that will be
a several year project but we hope to get some portion of that done next year.
We're also running fiber for
a better backbone for our metering our skaters system or finishing our fiber
projects running it to the water towers and to the office. So that is pretty much
the bigger ones and we're replacing fuses at the high school so which is or other
large project that's one hundred seventy five thousand dollars. On the water
so. Well we have water main additions with the city which is roughly five
hundred ninety five thousand dollars will be replacing water main and sewer jointly
and that is really the big expenditure nothing else on the water side continuing
our filter plant automation is about seventy five thousand up to speak of it not
much on the water side actually thank you very much any other questions
or discussion on that item was it entertain
a motion on that item as well you better motion to prove by Kellogg's or second
in
a second by the person stack to approve of them the balance of the report which is
item number for any further discussion saying none Please cast your ballots
motion carried
a days in their own news thanks for your interesting questions on the budget gem
thanks for being here and John chairperson of the warlike commission correct thanks
for being here as well OK item number ten B.
Public Works Committee meeting held Nov fifth on the person rail.
Thank you Your Honor the Public Works Committee met at four thirty P.M.
On Wednesday Nov fifth two thousand and fourteen in the second floor conference
room at City Hall all members were present also attending would be
a blast but you like that make dooms the meeting was called Order Number one number
two requests from young thirteen twenty Apple street to commit to the reconstruct
reconstructing Apple street tween twelve Street south and fifteenth Street so in
two thousand and sixteen because he needs the property by city utilities no one is
present for the item Mr Young needs
a commitment from the city that his fortune of apples to be reconstructed in two
thousand and sixteen get his property served by
a city utility so that he can go on for its property. There's
a motion of second through recommend
a commitment to reconstruct Apple Street between Fall Street itself and fifteenth
Street. In two thousand and sixteen and the property will be charged for the actual
cost of the install Boulevard utility leads to this property and that motion
carried Item number three review and approve the selection of the engineering
consultant for engineering design services for the intersection modification for
objects at each street south and east Grand Avenue Engineering Department
recommends the selection of Sprint associates for engineering design services the
second choice of the M.S.A.
Professional services with heirs associates as third choice there's
a motion of second thought through strand associates for engineering design
services with the second choice being and as
a professional services in years associates as the third place that moves very item
number for review and approve the selection of the engineering and salt for
engineering design services for the reconstruction of East Grand Avenue point third
Street itself and its beats Engineering Department recommends the selection of
spanned associates for engineering design surface service second choices M.S.A.
Professional services where there's associates that there. Is a motion
a second step through strand associates for engineering design services but the
second choice being M.S.A.
Professional services and irresistible if. That motion carried it in Number Five
resolution for sanitary and water leaves urban gotter sidewalks permanent streets
surfacing and concrete driveway approaches on Seventh Avenue Northwest Harrison
Street in high street there is a motion
a second that through the following resolution carried the revolution. Is included
in the package the minutes. I am Number six. In
a resolution for sanitary and water leads urban gutter sidewalk permanent street
surfacing and five three driveway approaches on High Street between seventh Avenue
and north and count that even though there is
a motion of second five prove the following and the. Solution in the motion carried
in getting that resolution is included in their packet of minutes
I did Number seven dedicate
a city on property for street purposes as an addition for the high street right of
way if that were north and ninth Avenue north there is a motion
a second have city staff contact property owners to determine if they would want
this video and property added to their property at no cost to them and if not have
City own property added to the high speed rate of Item eight was reviewed the
proposed twenty fifteen public works construction budget and he reviewed the budget
item nine reviewed the proposed twenty four thousand public works projects. Meeting
reviewed. That's the twenty four fourteen schedule item ten review of the referral
list that if you do a for
a list item number thirty nine from twenty four well and sixteen from twenty four
would be removed item eleven with motion a second through
a journal if you carried the meeting adjourned at five thirty seven PM and that
your honor and you forgot to give
a motion to approve the report by all of us in Rome and second the biker Patrick
move into discussion anyone to speak of the person Patrick please think your
question for. You. Regarding item seven did we hear any responses back from those
interested parties I was waiting telecoms will see if this path calls hold all
conference start contacting them tomorrow Understood thank you there are any
other wishes or requests to speak. The gentleman here representing strand the So C.
It's on public works item related to I think it was late in the birth. Number three
any further discussion thanks for being here obviously you know what else wishing
to speak seen none move in to vote Please cast your ballot
motion carried it is your only move into item number eleven on our agenda this
evening under miscellaneous reports item
a housing authority held at number twenty four Item B.
The Industrial Development Commission held October thirtieth item C.
Macmillan lot more elaborate hell October fifteenth they see elaborate director is
here Ron thanks for being here as well this evening item depletion fire commission
held October eighth item each park in recognition held over twenty nine Wastewater
Treatment Commission held Nov fifth item the Wisconsin Rapids fire department month
the organizational summary for October item eight the Wisconsin Rapids Police
Department monthly report for October item waterworks and lighting commission how
October eighth the regular meeting and there were
a finance committee Item j the July August and September quarterly report the
Wisconsin Rapids Police Department item cadency treasures report on investments for
October and item L.
The committee the whole held October twentieth council members what are your wishes
regarding those reports
move to approve. The motion of motion by Kirkpatrick second by real.
Need your button would mind please motion in
a second move into discussion
anyone wishing to speak. Or request to speak on that I did have a request from
a citizen to highlight items from the park and wreck commission meeting minutes in
which this past month there was
a request for some of the water field tennis courts something that residents were
passionate and interested in and refurbishing and refreshing the wood or field
tennis court so that project has begun it will be finished in the spring to improve
the forecourts that were field in which there was actually
a cash donation from the friends of tennis group so
a nice collaborative between. Group in the community as well as the remaining of
the remaining funds coming from Park outlay there was also discussion and action
actually by the Commission on the sculpture park to prove general guidelines and
agreement with revisions yet to be made by the city attorney as discussed as well
as improvements to the zoo parking lot anyone that's tried to park at the zoo as it
discovered some challenges there in months of those improvements are also going to
be made so that was at the request of the residents are to highlight some of the
items from the park in recognition that entertain other discussion items or
requests to speak seeing none moving to vote please Guster ballots
motion carried it isn't there when the. Item number twelve is items for new
business at the December sixteenth Council item A is
a discussion regarding restructuring of the finance treasurer and Public Works
Department and item be under item twelve is
a charter ordinance abolishing the city the office of the city treasurer as an
elected position and further providing this that the statutory duties of the
Treasurer be performed by the finance director item thirteen under ordinances item
A is
a sewer regulation ordinance amending rate determination as recommended by the wastewater
treatment commission at their Nov fifth meeting C accounts C Council attachment to
. Council members what are your wishes regarding that ordinance.
We've got
a motion to approve by all the person railways are second second by all the person
Dolan he would mind he'd near but thank you
move into discussion on the person for Patrick please thank you Mr Tonight's look
you might be able to cut off your rundown of where this came from.
The first or the original ordinance that we rolled. Really pertain just
to our industrial service or just industrial users so that rate was tied to their
strength of waste recently we've had gone from different dollars
from outside come in and bring us high strength waste Well the way this is written
we did have to charge in that high rate and you know it's not really fair to them
because it's there the strength of their waste is less significantly in some
instances so I would you know we I wanted to rewrite this so that when they come in
we can test the strength of their waste and charge him accordingly so that they'll
come back because they want to we don't change this and we want the high strength
waste because it produces methane gas so I understand correctly this was previously
based upon volume. The waste itself knowledge and just the
opposite. OK You know we did I guess we just never thought
about the fact that you know there could be other people coming in and and bringing
us high strength waste and we were just concentrated on our industrial users that
are within the city right now and there's the strength of their waste is very high
when they bring the stuff that comes from other other places lower Sol you charge
and by that you know the strength of their waste. And if we didn't if we don't have
a mechanism for charging the right by the ordinance I couldn't just say we're going
to charge less it was going to do that that's why I'm asking for this language
change understood that you're looking for equity for our customers at the
wastewater treatment plant was
a good thing for your customers well. And the other discussion on the ordnance
other person stack please just click on acronyms you know what T.L.A.
Is right three letter acronym for three author acronyms. And what is.
In your report or in your ordinance requests probably on cruel treatment works OK
Thank you thanks Jim for your insight and for
a little bit of comic relief take it or see in the waste water report any other
discussion regarding the ordinance before the body this evening say none Please
cast your balance bushing carried them
through an item number twelve item B.
Isn't
a charge or ordinance abolishing I'm sorry I remember thirteen I'm stuck behind
myself
a second reading out of an ordinance regarding social hosting which is council
attachment number three in your council packets we save the front row for you this
evening so I'm glad that it's decided to fill out thank you for being here council
members what are your wishes regarding the. Other Person colored please
I feel strongly about this ordinance. I appreciate it common council in their
comments that they made last month I think it reflects the community in
a wide span attitude that might be in the community. But when I look at if we talk
about the past then we can editorialize about what parents should or shouldn't be
doing the reality is. Under age drinking is
a problem in the state of Wisconsin Rapids is not unique and it gets really
admirable and I have to commend the young people here saying that they're not going
to accept that they want to get all the Common Council to do something about it and
so I commend you for doing this. I look.
AT I was looking at what it was not and what it is and it really does not interfere
with solid but Tory events in Wisconsin Rapids such as weddings and if you look at
statement number twenty three seventeen I think it is. For a B.
It has nothing to do with cell but Tory advance that may take place but I was
thinking of all the things that it does do and I thought of five reasons why we
should pass first of all. I think it's
a tool for law enforcement reduce under-age drinking and they have to have those
tools. But hopefully to prevent a serious injury and. God forbid
a retailer Number two it discourages young people young
adults that are twenty Juan and twenty two from hosting parties of under-age
students and that's you know last month he talked about is there
a study with regard to this and in my readings I can find
a study. But they found that in college towns when they implement such an ordinance
that there was
a reduction in injuries of students that were drinking under age or fatalities
now there might I assume that's a correlation now is it
a study can you prove it no but I believe that makes it all make it the
number three when the health departments schools and law enforcement inform parents
of the ordinance I think it's
a catalyst to begin that this question at home. Sometimes it just doesn't take
place and I think this would be
a catalyst to talk about under-age drinking number four often
children and I can experience this with four daughters they put pressure on the
parents that have these parties because their friends are having those parties and
if it is one thing that can help parents prevent that I'm all for it so that is the
pressure that parents. And I guess the last one is the peer pressure
that young people have today they have
a tremendous amount of peer pressure on many topics and often their friends will
tell him to participate why can't we do it your house well they can save face. With
their peers and prevent it I'm all in favor but I look at the bottom line
if this ordinance can prevent one serious accident and the ones that they ality of
someone who's under age drinking and that fatality may not be that under age drink
or it could be one of us our family members or any member in the community and so
I'm strongly in favor in urge all of us in fact I would urge us to pass it
unanimously and send
a message. That under-age drinking is not acceptable in Wisconsin writes
Thank you all the person stack Thank you Your Honor. I'm looking at
in the ordinance twenty three point seventeen Heron five. I'd like to know
how the forfeiture would be set up such that it says in the ordinance
not less than one thousand dollars students understand what
a thousand dollars is to
a working family at this time those families that are struggling sometimes and that
doesn't need to be one thousand dollars or can it be five hundred because I
won't vote for a thousand dollars I'm not going to. Somebody makes
a small mistake at home when they're all of a sudden they've got
a thousand dollar bill in front of them to attorney feel if the ordinance states
that the forfeiture is not less than one thousand dollars does that mean the first
level is one thousand dollars plus any court charges that may occur or with the
since this is
a municipal ordinance. With the Municipal Court have an option to choose
a different level of forfeiture there is there is some flexibility the the
original ticket is probably going to be written for
a thousand dollars that's because that's what the ordinance provides. There could
be some negotiation in terms of the disposition of it it's common that fines are
reduced. But I think in you had sent me an e-mail about this earlier why
a thousand dollars and I guess. Just kind of scanning all of the ordinances in the
state. It's probably on the high end you know some of them had probably one
hundred five hundred. And I guess you know the what I was reading is that people
want to distress the seriousness of this and but it's certainly you know if if
someone wants to amend that amount that you know we can certainly do that today if
if there's enough votes to to do that but the thousand is I don't want to say it's
arbitrary but I would say it's in line I would say with with probably about
a third to half of the cities that I've looked at. But definitely you know most
most of the of the most of the others are would be lower and I don't know if
there's any there might be one that's two thousand dollars. But I think you know
you just have to look at the message you're you're sending or. You know I think
that's why the thinking was for the higher amount as I said it is somewhat
negotiable in the disposition of the charge right thank you and then when you're
faced with
a forfeit you're in court and before her chair was one thousand dollars you would
be some of the roll ups so she would have perhaps the court costs I'll say in this
perhaps you hired
a lawyer to defend yourself. Could get kind of pricey depending on the situation
and the individuals to the who is the spokesperson for the group tonight who wants
to get up in front of my ways. Chris please come to the podium and introduce
yourself and to the microphones on Christiania only the twenty four eleven fifty
fourth Street self in Wisconsin Rapids I'm
a school counselor I guess after last month's discussion and. A lot of things Mr
Kellogg that you pointed out are are right on to what I wanted to address tonight
being a school counselor I hear directly from
a lot of students there are certain families there are certain adults in the
community that allow students to come over and drink allow them to go to the back
forty and drink or whatever it is and the parents don't really supervise that the
kids all know who those families are and those parents are and it's quite common
and I think you bring up
a good point where kids they don't have the rational the thinking to decide if this
is
a safe thing for me or not to them it's this is cool I got invited to this and they
go without thinking and. On all your points Mr Kellogg are right if that can save
one life of if that can save someone from going out there drinking to participate
in that it's worth it I have had adults tell me that they feel pressured to bring
up another point at graduation parties they have to have their or their sons or
friends of their kids drinking at that party because everyone else does that or
other parties do that and since last month I've talked to
a couple of those adults that have had the schools that to me over the years and I
said wonder if you had some sort of ordinance that said you could and I used the
high five thousand dollars one of you could get
a five thousand dollars fine for hosting this and they said I would love to been
able to say that to my son or daughter that no way I'm not taking
a chance on this because look what I can get out of this they need some teeth they
need something because of the pressure they feel from their kids and I realize the
delta should be able to say that and draw the line but it's more difficult than
than they anticipated so I think those are some of the things that I hear it often
in that thirteen to seventeen age group I hear about it often I'm told that
information this is exactly why we need some
a social host ordinance for those reasons you. Does the group.
When you came with
a thousand dollars was that based on your reading of other ordinance and other
communities in the area. We we in the research some of his to know Marshfield was I
believe they all had similar starting at that thousand dollar level and I believe
you have to make it something that's worthwhile that's going to make people think
is that worth posting this is it worth doing this and did you take in their lives
or their consideration of those smaller to fifty five hundred I think we realize of
course a thousand not to be hit with
a thousand dollar fine for something like this is just going to throw some families
out of left field I agree you are going to stand I agree I think it that's exact
reason why some family should think about should I do this and do you understand
all that's sometimes these things might take place without the parents' knowledge
even Corrado that was discussed last time that if it's that of the knowledge of the
the family and the police officers would do an investigation on that to find out if
they were aware of that or not so I trust the law in that case that it will be done
the right way. Yes All right thank you I still in of
a motion on the floor of the person next to speak and see man Couso in the audience
and I think as
a former high school principal I think that like they have to make some comments
with regard to experiences that he might have had very insane said he had
Thank you Mr Kellogg thank you for all our mutual offer just a few comments as
a community member and former parent as well as
a former high school principal for nearly thirty years in two different schools in
the area I am supportive of this social hosting ordinance.
I have probably far too many stories to relate to you investigating parties of
underage drinking throughout the years. It takes an awful lot of time to do that in
the schoolhouse. And I would also echo the comments made by Mr Bundy Ollie as well
as Mr Kellogg that oftentimes students are in situations that frankly could have
been prevented and I think this is one tool that could certainly conceivably
prevent these kinds of things from happening on
a tragic note as well I've had an opportunity to unfortunately be
a part of funerals. In which students have been killed
after participating in parties that weren't supervised by adults and were
violating the law and in fact I had to do you a G.'s at
a couple of those as well it's not easy to do I know the fine sounds quite
high however it also gives the schools
a tool to educate parents at orientations at family meetings and at parent meetings
with parents and I think I think this is long overdue and had I been
a high school principal several years ago I wish I would have had students like the
ones that are before you that are concerned about their peers and want to do
something about it what these students are doing is extremely courageous they're
standing up and getting engaged in the process and I think all of us need to
appreciate that and also for the opportunity that you've given them to to ask
questions and rightly so Mr Stack asking some tough questions I think that's good
for them to experience as well at the same time I think we should all embrace them
and really appreciate their efforts I also would like to just offer
a comment. Because I'm participating tonight as
a community member I also applaud the council for having
especially in the subcommittees opportunities for people to engage much like this I
realize tonight too that we can speak on behalf of items that are on the agenda
item so I appreciate any kind of activity that you do as Council members to
solicit that kind of discussion so I think on behalf of residents and people that
are concerned I'm speaking I guess for them to. To continue those efforts to be
heard but again I want to close by indicating to you that I support this strongly I
appreciate what these kids are doing and I think they should be again applauded and
recognize So thank you I'll learn twenty questions by anyone but just from my lens
of thirty years in the chair we do have
a speaking order Gus So if you just want to hang out we'll move to
a speaking order if you want to wish to stay up there others have other questions
of the person feel like it's still your moment OK and hold
a person happier next thank you yeah I had
a few people contact me on this ordinance and. Because
there's if you read the ordinances of this ordinance and then you read other
ordinances that are out there for social hosting. There's different things that can
be taken in and out of out of the ordinance and one of the questions was. Is this
just for parents or is it anybody that's eighteen or older so if you have an
eighteen year old or nineteen year old at your house and they have kids over and
the parents aren't home is that eighteen nineteen twenty year old responsible for
the fine and all this ordinance and how does that go on people's
records you know doesn't really save in some of the ordinance it says that it
doesn't go on your record where this goes I don't see where it said it does or
doesn't. I can allow it to any show or as
a police chief to entertain maybe answers to those quest that question in light of
going in the right it would be any person that holds it could be conceivably it
could be a under-age person reading person else or having
a right but but generally if there's someone in control of that because I'm sure
the underage person does not own the home or the land or isn't renting so you know
there might be another layer that the that the parent knew and it just as concerns
of your parent parent isn't here for purposes of. Making the point that an underage
person can drink with their parent that's why that's defined but I think otherwise
it's just person a person who hosts or
a person who knows and that was one of the questions that person brought up if
I'm out of town and somebody between eighteen and
less than twenty one has
a party whose response was It was the responsible party Yes
and it doesn't say that it could be any Well it could be any person who hosts which
would mean to. Host or allow an event or gathering at any residence premises or
any other private or public property where I'll call
a club averages are present when the person knows and under patient underage person
Willard's of consume so it you could conceivably have more than one host
I guess if the. But I think the main thing is that it's you're probably not in the
situation where we're trying to. Necessarily get under-aged other
under-aged person this is probably more
a an adult. That doing the hosting. But OK I guess maybe i'm
not understand your question I understand but it's just that when. They read this
parent right pretty much throughout this whole thing yeah I don't see that I see
person everywhere except where it defines
a parent in the for in the reason that that's there is to to give you the exception
of that an underage person can maybe drink with their parent Yeah so maybe it
should have been here somewhere anybody over the age of eighteen just
so people know I mean well. I mean I guess it says person and I think person is
defined as. It could be an underage person. And.
Then there are question to was. How is it going to be monitored is it just stories
or is it actually
a party that has to be broken up going to be after the fact well
actually could be either I mean we start police investigations in
a number of different forms and fashion some is when we get called specifically
that there may be some type of activity going on and we'll respond to that location
and begin an investigation. You know certainly and I reached out to my peers at
Wausau and Marshall and got feedback on their use of the ordinance and the impact
it's had over the past two years I know they've conducted investigations based on
what's been seen in social media so they could be in any number of ways an
investigation could start and then it's our burden to do the fact finding to figure
out and be able to find that to bring forward what decision is made is it simply
a you know furnishing order or are we into a social wholes situation so there's
a number of different tracks that investigation the.
Other Person Kirkpatrick or next please thank you there's been
a lot of really good comments Mr Kellogg your comments I think spot on the
councilors comments spot on in this race who is oh. You
know I appreciate. The financial concern that you bring up
Jim. You know a thousand dollars is
a lot to bite off and. You know it comes down to the idea of
is this really should this be necessary no this shouldn't be this
any responsible parent should look at this and say I'm not allowing that to take
place that's against the law that's against my ethics my morals whatever the case
may be but you know I think we're kidding ourselves if we believe
that there's that many people out there that really are going to
stand up and say you know I'm not going to allow that well I did that when I was
you know what what's what's wrong you know I mean we did that one and you know back
in the sixty's and seventy's we did it well whatever you know if my kid want to do
it my nephew wants to do it I don't care that's fine. It's
a huge shift in in culture and perception and we're kind of at at the cusp of that
taking place right now. You know it for the students who are bringing this
forward I don't know who it was that said the word courageous but I mean I we all
remember high school to one degree or another and I know it was
a huge slap to the ego you know if you did something that bucked what your friends
and peers were doing I mean I'm sure that not one of you hasn't walked on the
hallway and had somebody mutter something about you so and so do you know what are
you trying to do take in this rite of passage away from me you know so I realize
you're catching
a lot of flak from your even your friends. You know not even to mention the people
that you don't know who are going to say whatever they want to so it seriously you
know hats off to you. For having the courage to stand up you know not just to you
know come down here and speak to us but to go to school every single day and face
that. The thousand dollars I think is appropriate because it
gives that backbone incentive to the parents.
Or to the legal guardian or to the older brother or the older sister to say no I
I'm not going to lose
a thousand dollars out of my pocket on something like that yeah I know it I know I
got to do it but you know it now it's on me you know it's my responsibility and all
if you diminish that dollar amount I think you're really going to lose
a lot of the effectiveness of where this is coming from and just to point out three
sections within the ordinance twenty three one seven parent to parent D.
Which states and if you know please bear with me here host or allow host or allow
means to aid conduct entertain organize supervise control control or permit
a gathering or event and then down to twenty three seventeen PARENT three parent a
a person is responsible for violating this section if the person intentionally AIDS
advises hires counsels or conspires with or otherwise procures another to commit
the prohibited act and impair section twenty three seventeen PARENT three Parent B.
Reads
a person who hosts an event or gathering does not have to be present at the event
or gathering to be responsible and there's other you know so I think all of that
points to who is liable in these situations whether it be a parent
a legal guardian an under-age older brother who acquires it from Uncle Phil or
whatever snakes it out of somebodies private stash.
It's worded in such
a way that we're able that the police department the department is able to define
who is responsible or if the only person who's responsible is
you know the seventeen year old or the eighteen year old student individual you
know if the parents went out of town and. They said well you know I really don't
care what the law says I'm going to host this thing myself I'm going to have my
friends over and I'm just going to you know I know the combination or I can I can
break into that I can get that you know alcohol out of there. Then it's not on the
parent the parent said you know they told him we want
a law that we don't allow that that's you know another burden is on the police
department the authorities to determine who the responsible individual was and if
the parents consistently said no I think then it shows right in here that
the only liable individual is you know that seventeen year old son or daughter who
decided to defy the law and
a five What what their parents are legal guardian said before you know in their
absence so I think everything is here and I think you know I understand that the
thousand dollars that's that's
a hard one to to grasp but I think that removing that or dropping that dollar
amount down really takes away from from what everything says and and from what this
is looking to accomplish and with the verbiage that's in there. I think it's still
an appropriate amount and the only other question I have is I know I spoke with.
One individual who is on
a committee commission. Counsel whatever you want to call it in another community
and they said that it was you know on their radar and it sounded like they were. In
approval of it I haven't spoken with them in quite a while now it's been
a couple weeks but. I guess I just kind of curious what the reaction has been from
the from other surrounding communities because I know that you said that you were
going to go out to these other places and say hey this is what this is what we're
looking at and you get on board of the saw it I'd like to know the reaction from
the surrounding areas because since my current. All right I'm going to share
because they do definitely plan as you would heard from them
a month ago. After addressing this organs for the city Wisconsin Rapids they were
going to go to other surrounding communities jurisdictions and that work actually
has begun in the CUSA has
a social hole stored that's in place and they fought have been finding it very
effective they've had to cite one time. Wausau police department my colleague there
Jeff Hart Del shared with me and again to the point of the find the fine are
clearly
a deterrent compared to the previous method of sighting for furnishing and value
paying the small fine meaning mom dad or perhaps have been son or daughter work it
off but it was a small fine and
a very small deterrent we have used social host ordinance probably twenty times so
far again I believe it's very effective and serves as
a deterrent that's that's why Chief of Police Jeffard Del. Marshall police
department also has it in place. And similar comments to Jeff's their
counsel. Early on as shared
a month ago from council members some concerns over you know raiding the family
party weddings graduations except not the case not the intent of the ordinance once
they were able to get that fleshed out in part through at the Council level they've
got it but it's been very it's been very good in Marshfield as well
so police department is working through the village process with the social host
and also Grand Rapids Police Department will be moving through that community Thank
you Jim You're next but I'm going to go to another person don't because he hasn't
spoken yet indeed and OK well
a person don't please and I'd like to speak now either I'd like one of those
students here to talk to the young lady there one of you.
For all you hunters out there yesterday for deer camp got some serious pressure on
me this year sitting my sister got
a twelve point buck on opening day in the youth hunt. So here's the deal with the
social post issue comes when it comes down to it it's purely logical responsibility
this Friday night edu camp as goes what happens at deer camp stays at deer camp so
if my dad were to offer me
a beer no harm done soon I would drink it but if he chose to offer my buddies aka
ha that's when becomes
a problem that's up to there's dad's decision not my dad's and I certainly don't
want my dad responsible for sending some sixteen year old kid into public hunting
land have hung over and I'm pretty sure you don't want them sitting next to you we
trust are adults in our lives to provide guidance when it comes to decision making
skills. Skills aren't also teen there has hardly
banned it Friday or Saturday night since my freshman year that I haven't had
a chance to attend
a party or bonfire were alcohol was being served there are some huge parties and
others small gatherings but when a group of kids are sitting around
a fire and the parents are inside the hose fully aware that they're all drinking
that's hardly being responsible specially because eighty to ninety percent of the
time these kids who are drinking and up sleeping in their own beds which means they
drove home. Frankly in the past three years I've known many kids Lincoln High
School who have been coated some are very good friends of mine in my opinion the
social host ordinance is just logic and responsibility making everyone think twice
about the consequences of their decisions and likely saving
a few lives along the way.
Hi My name is Alexa girls and I attend Wisconsin at this junior high my home
address is twelve or thirteen. Last month we as the previous and current members of
the Sebastian group attended the Wisconsin Rapid City Council meeting to speak out
about the idea of askance rapid of askance Rapids adopting the social host
ordinance when the idea of the ordinance was discussed there were questions raised
by the council this is about how it will be enforced and if the idea was even
necessary to move forward with the topic of enforcement as you know is debatable my
dad was the chief of police in Rome Wisconsin for eight years and I've heard
countless stories of teenagers being supplied with alcohol courtesy of consenting
adults in forcing this ordinance will be no different than saying forcing the speed
limit Unfortunately not every law breaking situation will be caught and that will
remain the case as you've heard already Marshfield and want to have adopted social
host ordinance and between these two cities have used us around approximately
thirty one times underage drinking takes place more than recognize we would like to
focus ordinance on the junior high to high school age rather than those who do not
have. Or rely on adults and parent or guidance. This ordinance is
a solution to an age old issue an issue which has grown with social media and
has spread with the popular idea of the idea of
a hundred drinking underage drinking is an issue that doesn't stop in the home but
also continues to coworkers and family friends as
a leadership group we are very passionate about this idea and I'd love to see it
move forward Thank you very question
all the persons any further requests to speak I still don't not have
a motion on the floor as well make that comment anyone wishes to make that motion
all the procedure Patrick please move to approve the ordinance request as presented
in
a motion by Kirkpatrick to approve his requests as presented second by Dolan and move
into the discussion all the person for the please
because I just want to be real clear about this if there is
a bonfire and it's five eighteen year olds drinking
is somebody going to end up with
a thousand dollar ticket when again
this really depends on the fact finding you know what what had occurred to be able
to allow that to happen and if we have anyone who purposely unknowingly and again
looking to in my mind certainly you know an older brother or sister parent
someone that you know has real control and can make
a decision whether or not this can or cannot occur and allows it to occur those are
the facts that are going to lead us down
a path that are going to lead towards to social holes he's OK if it's if it's five
eighteen year olds or just happen to be able to sneak some brewskis out of Mum and
Dad's fridge and get him out by the bonfire totally different it's all about the
effect on him and he further requests to speak.
On that make
a comment since I don't see for the request to speak it's been said earlier that
folks like you have had the courage to stand up and to present this to the city and
I think when the request came before the city to have this item appear on our
agenda and came to me in really thought about sort of like every request that comes
before the body of whether or not it should be put on the agenda you know thought
about it deeply right because there are consequences and to what extent the debate
will be reflected in the media reflected upon the city in terms of sort of how
people trade this body and I think this was such an example that not only youth but
also the police chief and the city attorney by doing the research and informing all
of us that this was something that you know we may have created an island for
ourselves and so I commend all of you for stepping up and putting ourselves out
there as as her Patrick had indicated you probably maybe look differently upon by
your peers and I can imagine that that's going to be that's that's
a challenge for you so thank you for taking the courage and and the confidence in
yourselves to be able to bring this in front of the body and and put forth
a really
a civil debate and I welcome you know and thank the members of this body to have
that discussion here tonight so. With that I'd entertain any other discussions
unless anyone else wishes to speak on the matter we've got an individual from the
public that wishes to speak does anyone want to wish for some time recognized
Kirkpatrick Stephen please come to the podium and introduce yourself thank you
believe that my name is Steven Kull the result of forty one point three Wisconsin
Rapids I come here for totally different reasons and I found myself
entertained by this issue. Jim I appreciate your concern for individual families
involved with thousand dollar fine what I am going to say on this is I lived out of
town for
a little bit during that time I worked for the rebels police department as
a reserve officer for about eleven years. One thing I follow the law is if you're
not breaking it you don't have to worry about the repercussions of
a fine well I have two kids at home that and I'll know ten years they're going to
be fifteen or seventeen and there's no way I'm going to give them the keys of the
house and go out of town for the weekend let them have their friends come over and
cordially drink so as a member of the public come here for
a totally different reason I commend these high school kids are doing what they're
doing to try to make an impact in this community and I I support this law
however I would ask the council if they do decide to passes law the
follow it up and take it one step further every student in high school or middle
school has
a decision to make We've all been there with the the team decisions that you're
faced with I was invited to parties in high school as well too I had that decision
to make do I go to
a party or do I not aside from the law the only thing that kept me from going to
those parties was the wrath that I would face from my father when I got home I
don't let's come down the very appearance is kind of subsided in the last couple
years so I would as
a council doing that considering this law is going to put that to the
parents I would challenge a council that every student that goes to
a party that knows it's a hosted party by parents they have
a very stiff penalty for every student their protection party as well to maybe not
in the capacity of
a fine but if you take say ten dollars an hour. At one hundred hundred dollars
there equals a thousand dollars so maybe consider maybe
a hundred hours of community service for every student that would participate in
such activity. Thank you much in my time. Thanks Stephen any
further discussion or any of the requests to speak to their members of the audience
or council members see non-O.
Move into
a vote please cast your ballot on the motion was to approve the ordinance as
presented
motion carried by Green thank you again for your participation
item fourteen we've got two items up in our agenda referral of communication to
committees. Nic had a given me a heads up that he wanted to make
a referral or an opportunity to make
a comment or student all the person that please hello
I am Nicholas because S.
He the current student alderman from Macon High School in there and I have been
working very hard on creating opportunity for the youth in the community to get
more involved mayors youth council is an opportunity for students to have their
voices heard concerning city improvement efforts. This group is another step closer
to engaging the youth in our community and will help create more activities the
community can enjoy in their spare time if you are interested in joining us
applications are available for anyone in grades one through twelve you can contact
Shane or the mayor's office for the application and you know their questions they
might have we are currently accepting applications any time from now until December
nineteenth we are playing have the first meeting in early to mid January and
expecting no more than two meetings per month we are also seeking advisory role
members they would be responsible for providing support and guidance during the
council meetings anywhere from schools city staff or the community who is
interested should contact the mayor's office for more details thank you thanks Nick
. Any other referral of communication to committees. NONE
a movement item fifteen adjournment in
a motion to adjourn motions or second motion in
a second by perky all in favor oppose that passes again thank you all for being
here those joining us via camera and everyone that's persuaded.